Megan Ferguson: The Stay At Home Actress

Megan Ferguson is everything I imagined her to be and more. Hilarious, smart, talented, beautiful, honest and all about action over apathy. From her upbringing in the South to a ballerina to an actor to becoming a mom and a good human, she’s real, down to earth and has the most winning way about her. We talk about her career, how she deals with anxiety, how she gives herself and anyone else who may be interested in “good human homework”, which are tangible ways to get involved tackling injustice and other big issues of our time. Her new show “Soundtrack” is on Netflix and she has a fun, juicy dream of a role in “Curb Your Enthusiasm” this season also. She’s a very, very good egg.

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Megan Ferguson: The Stay at Home Actress

Megan Ferguson, thanks for coming.

I’m very happy to be here. I’ve never done this, so let’s do it.

We’re going to do it, but this is probably the first of many that you’re going to be asked to do.

It’s a real TBD on how this one goes.

I’m in love with you on Instagram. I think that in-person, you bring it.

I find it strange in real life because sometimes I talk to people on Instagram, then I’ll see them and it’s not the same or they’re different or they’re shy in person when they’re chatty on Instagram. That always confuses me.

I find that exact same thing. I met my husband online, but before I met my husband, I dated some other people. Sometimes it doesn’t translate.

That’s strange to me.

It is super weird and when it doesn’t, you think you have an idea of someone you think like, “I’ve got that person, we got to this.”

The danger of the medium is when someone’s open and then they can barely make eye contact in person, and I’m like, “I know what bubble bath you use.” Not that they owe me or anything, but it’s an interesting human behavior that you could be open in one forum and then not on a personal level.

You think that it is like champagne on Instagram. Megan Ferguson, I met you at my dear, darling friend, Jessie’s baby shower. She’s a perfect person, an incredible actress, and an unbelievable friend. I first fell in love with you before Instagram at her shower because you brought one of the best shower games I’ve ever played.

I’m glad you like this because I’ve had anxiety since that shower that it was an inappropriate game, but I also like it.

It was fun. Megan brought a game and it was a piece of paper with twelve photographs.

Zoomed in on women’s faces.

You had to decide whether these women were having sex or in labor.

If it was porn or a birth video and you zoom in on their face. I looked at a lot of Google images and I feel like I did a good job confusing you.

You did an excellent job. How much time did you spend choosing the pictures?

I don’t know because it was a while ago, but I remember getting into it and being like, “This is a better one because this is my idea of porn.” I’m not a porn enthusiast but it is like a real made-up situation. The truth is the lighting’s bad in birth videos and in porn. You’re distressed in both so it works across the board.

There are some parallels. I am also beaming with pride because there was one paper short, Jessie and I were teammates and we won.

You didn’t miss a single one.

If we did, it was one. I was proud. After that, I started following you on Instagram and that was it. My love affair from afar started.

I troll my husband a lot on Instagram. He’s not on it at all. He’s always judging me for being on it. Whenever anyone likes it, I’m vindicated.

I’d like to say my husband has an account, but he’s never on it. He’s too good for it.

That’s the same as Nico.

There’s a lot of, “Are you on Instagram again?”

It’s like, “You don’t even know what’s on here, why are you worried about it?” I think most of Instagram is women. I wonder why, other than it’s a communication app.

I will find my husband secretly on his phone and he will be a voyeur on Instagram or his obsession is with political sites. I don’t see that as different. We have this argument a lot at home.

If you want to be a voyeur, that’s your own business, but I don’t like Instagram voyeurs that are judge-y about Instagram users. I’m like, “You don’t get it all. You don’t either get to be in here or you could get to watch and zip it. You don’t get to be mad at me for sharing my bubble bath.”

You share good things, which we need to know.

I mostly share things when I’m anxious or when my life is falling apart with two children. I try and use stories to find some humor in those moments.

You always strike the right note, at least for me, when sharing real things about how crazy it is having two kids or kids at all, however many you have, and living in this world that we live in that is crazy. It’s fun. You talk about work, which is always exciting to see that. You are politically active and people who use their platform for that I’m more excited by and interested in.

I am angry with apathy. I’m angry with people who do have an audience but don’t get involved. You can scale this in any number of ways. I have a cousin who’s got a small business and she’s like, “I had to stop.” She was writing about local matters in the South. That’s important, getting people involved in a local election or know about a local issue. She was like, “People stopped following me.” She has a small business that she’s starting up. She was put in this position. I totally understand her decision not to, but it also made me mad. For me, if it alienates someone, that’s fine. If it motivates someone to take any action to donate to a candidate, to register people to vote, to volunteer at a homeless shelter, that’s worth it for the one person who’s like, “You wacky liberal, unfollow.” I’d rather have it be motivating for people that I can share. A lot of us are scared for a number of legitimate reasons and it’s paralyzing. I find that myself. I feel paralyzed a lot of days like, “How and what are we doing?” I try to simplify it by doing a little action. That’s why I made Good Human Homework. I’m like, “If we can make assignments.”

I want to talk about your Good Human Homework. You’re an actor and you grew up in Georgia.

I grew up in the Florida, Georgia Line. I was born in Tallahassee, Florida. My family moved to Thomasville when I was eight, which is in Georgia. I am from that Panhandle line. There’s a whole band about it, The Florida Georgia Line.

I want to know their music. I don’t know them.

I don’t know either, but they’re big.

You grew up there your whole life.

Then I went to boarding school for high school in New Hampshire at a school called St Paul’s. I was a ballerina.

I wondered if you were, I saw some beautiful dancing on your Instagram.

“She’s still got it,” not really, but it’s there somewhere. I went to boarding school for ballet and my dad didn’t want me to go to an art school. He wanted me to use my brain, so I went to an academic school that had a strong ballet program. I stayed in New England after that for college. I went to Yale. I went to Smith for a year and I transferred to Yale. I had a dose of an all-women’s college.

She got the brains, moves, and looks.

She got an anxiety disorder. Who doesn’t? I always ask my therapist if I could be the poster person for Zoloft. I’m willing to be the Mary Kay lady. I’ll go door to door. I need a side job. Can I sell Zoloft? Can I please be on an infomercial? I stayed up there for college. Yale was an undergraduate. I was raised in the South, but I went to New England at fourteen. I’m versed in both cultures. After Yale, I went to New York and I started auditioning for some suspect things.

Did you start booking things right away?

Under no circumstances. I was like, “I’m not booking things now.” I worked in restaurants. I was a hostess and lots of pasties. The Original Pasty House was my first job. I remember she had an attitude when I applied because I said I had no restaurant experience on my application. I’m too scared to lie on my application. I was like, “I’m sure I can figure it out.” She was like, “Fine.”

They want weird things because they want you to be young and not charge a lot, young and cute, at the same time, “Why don’t you have eight years of restaurant experience?”

They were like, “Do you want me to walk this menu to that table? I got it. You want me to get yelled at by patrons? We got this.” You don’t need a job experience for that. I worked at Waverly Inn, which was a real opportunity to get yelled at by people. I worked at something called Hotel Graphfood that no longer exists. I was doing that and I was auditioning and doing some off plays. Eventually, I worked my way up to a single-off Broadway plays. I could never book Law and Order. I audition all the time and I could never book it. I truly felt like if I couldn’t book Law and Order, I would never make it.

That was the bar.

It was like every actor has done Law and Order. That was the entry job in New York and I could never get it.

How many times did you audition?

Maybe six. I took it a sign from above every time like in a disproportionate way.

This is the universe talking to you that you shouldn’t do this.

I booked my first TV job, which was Boardwalk Empire. It was a good trade. I traded it for Law and Order.

What was your character?

A period prostitute, which I played exclusively for a little bit.

Did you have many roles?

I had a few periods of prostitute roles. It was in the second episode of Boardwalk Empire and I’m a young hussy that wanted to come see the town. This older man had brought her and she wouldn’t put out, then he got mad. She finally was giving him a handjob in the Ford.

I had seen the show and I’m trying to remember it.

He gets shot at mid handjob. It was a lot. It was my first job. I’m like, “I’m not giving him a handjob, right?” They were all looking at me like I had a third eye and I was like, “I don’t know. Everything’s historically accurate on this set. I want to be clear.”

You are not really giving a handjob.

I’m not, but you have to move your hands and your body. The character’s supposed to be grossed out, which is cool because I was grossed out. I’m turning away and having to move my hand and he’s having to groan. They are like, “Megan, your hands are high and visible.” It would go up. It looked like I’m waving at him.

It is also a precise note of how to give a fake handjob. It is awkward.

There was an earlier scene where he puts my hand on his inner thigh to suggest that I’ve aroused him. They gave him an “Irish toupee,” which was a rolled-up paper towel holder like cardboard so that there was something in the pants. I was like, “LOL, Irish toupee.” I was like, “What’s happening?” That was my first TV job.

For your first TV job, that sounds stressful to fake a handjob.

Faking a handjob in a car that was historically accurate, but the exhaust of the car, they ran it. The exhaust was filling up inside the car too. I was like, “I don’t want to be an actor.” I’m lightheadedly giving a fake handjob in a period costume.

I have a lot of questions about how The Deuce does a lot of their sex scenes.

They’ve got the intimacy coordinator. They invented that whole role, which thanks God, someone’s doing it. Also, I went down spiral thinking about that. I was like, “That’s rife for someone creepy to become an intimacy coordinator. Hopefully, you’ve screened that person.” That’s someone you hope to be on the same page with, more so than a director, more so than your co-stars.

I want to meet some intimacy coordinators.

I’m sure it could be someone cool, but there are a lot of people in the world.

There’s room for weirdness. Your resume is big because I stalked you a little bit.

After that job I got, I moved to Los Angeles. Not because of that job, but I booked a job in a movie called Love & Other Drugs, then I met my now-husband. I had wanted to move to LA. I visited quite a bit, but I was too scared to move by myself. When I met him and I was like, “You have to move to Los Angeles with me.”

Where was he living?

He was in New York.

Did you meet at a job?

No, we met in New York. I made him move to LA with me about 6, 7 months after we met. We’ve been here for many years. There are fewer jobs here in New York as an actor. I found it to be either you were in a cool scene or you weren’t. Sometimes I was in the cool group and sometimes I wasn’t. I know it was starting out, but once I moved to LA, I felt that it was more egalitarian in terms of booking your first jobs. LA didn’t care if you went to school or what play you have done. They were like, “Can you work tomorrow? You’re exactly what we need, let’s go.” I felt that there was a little bit more excited about people starting out in LA from the casting director’s perspective than I felt in New York. I felt jaded, “Prove it.” That’s my experience, but I had much better luck starting out in LA than I did in New York.

What year did you move here?

It was in 2008.

You’ve done a lot of television and films. Curb Your Enthusiasm, you’re Alice, Larry’s assistant?

Yes.

I read that you did an interview for a magazine. I don’t know which one, but you were talking about the audition process.

I had auditioned the season before and I didn’t get it. That audition, Bettie was six weeks. It was something like I had a new baby. The audition process for Curb Your Enthusiasm is quite intimidating because you don’t get anything beforehand. You show up and then you get a little slip of paper telling you, “This scene is you as a waitress. Larry comes in the restaurant,” then maybe one other line about where they want the scene to go. You walk in and start. They let you go and then they say, “Thank you.” That first audition, I cried all the way back to driving. It’s also a thing in Santa Monica. You’ve got a long drive. I was like, “I’ve got a long way to think about this. I’m never doing that again.” The next season rolled around and I was like, “Fine. I was a real glutton for punishment.” The brief outline of the scene, they gave me right before when it was what you see in the first episode, which is that I have a tattoo and I won’t tell Larry what it’s about. That was fun. I could use my nerves and be mad at the audition process for that. I think that worked in my favor.

You’re vocal about the smash of patriarchy.

It’s perfect and I said that to Larry somewhere in the middle of the season. I was like, “I’m like this in real life. I do want to smash the patriarchy. I do think all of this is an abuse of power.” He was like, “I can tell.” I was like, “It’s coming from a real place.” Larry’s like, “You’re just yourself.” I was like, “I know.”

I saw the episode where you are in the restaurant and he cites it.

My dad was on set that day. It was fun.

I want to jump to that you call yourself a stay at home actress, which I love.

I stole that joke. I need full disclosure from a drag show I saw in New York, but it stayed with me. 

Your dad wanted you to go to a boarding school, which was academic, how does he feel about this stay at home actress and you are booking a lot?

He doesn’t like that joke that I use because my dad appreciates self-deprecation, but he would like me to limit my own at some point.

He’s proud.

I also disagree. You can be self-deprecating and proud of yourself.

Do you have siblings?

I have four, three brothers and a sister. One of my brothers was a drummer for a band called Gogol Bordello, which was a big punk band for eleven years. He’s had a precedent of children veering left after paying for their education. He’s supportive. He’s like my manager like, “Why aren’t you writing something? You should write.” He’s more expand. Every time I try and I want to quit and do a children’s gift shop, he’s like, “How are you going to scale that, Megan? If you’re going to start a new business, it’s got to be scalable.” I want a small business, something that doesn’t make money. Something to sink some cash into. I know that Ab Fab where she’s like, “Beautiful things.”

I’m obsessed with Ab Fab still. I go back and watch it. It is incredible and fun. Your mom was a social worker and professor.

My mom is a professor of social work at Florida State University and did a lot of research on domestic violence and family violence. She’s impressive. She started the first shelter for battered women in Florida in the late ‘70s. There was no shelter for battered women. It’s called Refuge House. It’s still an existence in Tallahassee.

I was going to ask if your mother is active in the community?

Yes, this is where my rage towards injustice is inherited and modeled, for sure. My mom has always been like this to the point, as a child I was like, “Tone it down. You’re embarrassing everyone.” She’s always been outspoken. Tallahassee is not small, but Thomasville is quite small and red. She was always a town liberal. That’s a fun way to grow up in the South.

Was it met with aggression sometimes?

No, that’s been a big change. Growing up, people enjoyed having fun banter with her. The stakes felt low. Now, it feels much more hostile. It was like, “Sharon, sell me on Clinton.” Now, everywhere in the country feels much more hostile. She does things that I used to be embarrassed about, but I think were amazing like she’ll go and she’ll hide all the Sarah Palin books in a bookstore. She got caught by the bookstore, but she’ll do that. She’ll go and flip them all over and put them in the back and hide them. She does stuff like that.

I love her even more. These are A-plus level pranks that are also not hurting anyone.

It’s like, “We don’t need that book out. No one needs that book.” She’s an incredible fundraiser. She fundraises for something called TCRC, which is the Thomas County Resource Center for underprivileged youth for the littles, preschool and for other kids. It is an after-school and she does huge fundraising for them.

That’s unbelievable.

She’s a good one. She’s a good model. She’s a good egg.

Your Good Human Homework, I love that series that you have on Instagram. You have it saved.

I have it saved in my Stories and you can have assignments if you’re feeling it. I try and do it the way I’d want best to receive it, which is like, “Where do we start? This is tangible. I can do this one thing. If I have this much energy, I can do this if I have this much.” People go through phases. Some days you can’t do anything and that’s fine. Some days you’re like, “Let’s do it.” I woke up and I donated to Elizabeth Warren and I was like, “Let’s do it. Let’s keep going.”

One foot in front of the other is important, especially if everything can feel overwhelming and everything feels paralyzing.

I do think that we’re community creatures. It’s like you do a little bit, someone else does a little bit. It becomes contagious in a good way and not a coronavirus way. My child has got positive flu. I was like, “Do you do the swab for anything else?”

You have two daughters.

My older child does not identify as a girl, even though she was born as a girl. She goes by Benji and he and him. My little one is Bettie and she would like to go by Elsa, if at all possible.

Do you respect Elsa? Bettie is Elsa and Benji is Bea.

My problem with Elsa as Bettie is like, “Elsa doesn’t wear a jacket.” I’m like, “Disney, throw a jacket on there. I’ll buy it.”

Elsa doesn’t wear a jacket. It’s interesting because it is true.

Benji is 4.5 years old and Bettie is three.

I didn’t know that your first child didn’t identify as a girl and you posted something on Instagram a long time ago. That was one of my favorite posts. It was something about a nativity scene. Was that when you were home in the South?

It’s funny you bring that up because that was even before Benji started going by Benji. Benji wanted to be a shepherd in the nativity scene in a small town in Georgia. One of the girls was a little bit older and she was like, “Girls can’t be shepherds. Girls have to be angels.” I was like, “You can be a shepherd or an angel.”

You said, “It’s 2018, you could be whatever you want.”

In those little moments, I see the need for a huge cultural shift. In those little moments, where the church is like, “You’ve got to have your angel wings on.” It’s like, “Do you? Can we put some costumes on and go out into the nativity scene? We’re all going to make it.”

I saw a meme that made me laugh and it was something along the lines. I’m paraphrasing and I’m probably butchering it but, “My child can come home gay, my child can come home transsexual or as a drag queen, whatever he wants, but let that MF come homered.” I like it.

I like that too. Memes are the philosophy of 2020. They are our distillation.

It can brighten your day and make things a little bit happier. The anxiety, did you recognize that or acknowledge it before you had children?

I had it before I had kids, but I didn’t know it is something “treatable.” I thought it was life. My parents’ point of view on it was that it was life as well. My dad’s like, “You’re grappling with the big questions.” You’re like, “I can’t do anything. I am paralyzed.” There’s a generational gap in treating anxiety, for sure.

I feel that treating anxiety and technology.

They came hand-in=-hand. I can’t work the remote and I won’t take Zoloft. It became untenable for me after my second child. I had postpartum anxiety and depression, and that still took a while to diagnose because I do think with anxiety, you build a tolerance to it. Every day you’re like, “This is going to come.” You’re anticipating it and you’re treading water. You’re like, “I know I’m going to be in the water,” versus I felt it’s tricky to get a read on where you are mental because it’s growing every day and you’re used to it.

Did you do anything about it after your first child?

After my first child, I didn’t have postpartum. I was happy albeit tired and all the feelings, but I felt peaceful in ways that I hadn’t ever in life. I did not have that feeling in my second child. In fact, I felt not peaceful and it took a while. It took so long to diagnose it, which I thought was crap. I’ve said this to everybody, “If you think you have postpartum, you do.” It’s not the same for everybody. If you’re like, “I think there is something,” it is. If you’ve made it that far, then you do. Your brain’s trying to tell you.

I had postpartum anxiety both times. I was a basket case, but it wasn’t depressing. I wasn’t depressed and I wasn’t having feelings of hurting the baby.

There’s one narrative like, “You’re going to throw your baby out the window.” It’s like, “I hated everything and I couldn’t figure it out.” Our ideas are like, “You hate your child or you don’t want to be a mother,” it wasn’t that simple. I didn’t want to hurt the child. I fell through potholes a lot of times a day. When they explain it to you later, you’re like, “You don’t have resilience.” Your brain doesn’t have the resilience to handle any stress. It’s like, “That’s exactly what it was.” You’re like, “I have nothing left.” For me, medication gave me the floor and the walls to feel that you can do this. For a lot of people, meditation helps anxiety or running but I don’t run. When you have two little babies or one baby or when you have something that’s serving your needs at every moment, medication allowed me to get through those days. I was like, “I should have been on this at 22. I would have chased a lot fewer men.” I would’ve handled breakups a lot better.

How I handled my breakups is terrible. It’s not pretty.

It’s not a cute look at what I was doing.

That’s good because more people talk about it.

There are stigmas around medication and I felt that before from the other side. You either self-medicate through alcohol, through weed. People micro-dose mushrooms. We’re all picking our self-medications. Don’t throw that one in as an option. I don’t think it deserves any more judgment than anything else. Our planet’s on fire, keep yourself in a mental position where you can fight the good fight.

I haven’t seen yet your Netflix show, but I want to.

It’s called Soundtrack. It’s a beautiful special, different show. It’s a musical, which I was like, “What am I doing?”

Did you sing?

No, we lip-sync but we lip-sync known songs and fun songs. Songs that become part of the plot that takes you in the story. We dance and I have episode eight, which is all mine. It’s like a little movie, which is special. I have a lot of dancing in that.

I cannot wait to watch this, but I need to finish Cheer first. It is taking my time. I like to know who’s on the mat and who’s not. As soon as I finish that, Soundtrack is next and it sounds amazing because it sounds like a mixtape.

That’s what we were called. We were called Mixtape. We were on Fox and they didn’t want us and Netflix did. They changed it to Soundtrack, but it’s the secret-sauce algorithm. It’s was the most fulfilling experience. I got to dance, which I hadn’t done for years.

What kind of dance did you do?

I do Broadway dancing and I’ve got a real sparkly, gold dress. It’s fun.

I believe that you posted a picture of yourself in the said dress on Instagram. I cannot wait to watch this.

I have a love story. I’m in a role that I normally don’t get to do. I’m the lead of my own little movie in it. I’m normally like a comedic relief in a lot of my past roles. In this, I get to have a more lead character artist. Joshua Safran, who created the show, is doing Gossip Girl. He did Quantico and Gossip Girl before. He gave me a huge opportunity and I’m grateful. I love it. Everyone in it is special.

I can’t wait to see this and you are dancing. I looked at the cast and I was like, “Jenna Dewan, I die for her dancing.”

She’s incredible.

Marianne Jean-Baptiste.

I’m a fangirl for everyone in it. Her musical numbers will absolutely blow you away. She has one with Madeleine Stowe. They do a duet. I won’t give you more than that.

That’s a good teaser.

That’s epic and iconic. Callie Hernandez and Jenna are our lead. Callie is a special actress. She’s great. We have the women in the show and the boys are like it too.

The boys are fine and the girls are phenomenal.

It released around Christmas. I have no idea. I told my mom to turn Netflix on around Christmas.

I can’t wait to watch it. Do you know if you’re going to get a second season?

They’re going to do it one season limited because it’s such an expensive world. It lifts on Netflix, you can watch it. Everybody watches it. My character’s name is Gigi, which is fun.

It’s such a good name. Do you ever work with your husband?

We made little short films in 2020 that we wrote, which is fun. We’re trying to find a place to put those. They might go on Instagram. Basically, the woes of being married.

I want to watch these too. Did you write them together?

I took his notes, but I mostly wrote to them. I should give him credit, but I’m not going to because I mostly did it. That was a fun time working. I taped an audition and he read with me. I wanted to murder him for that. We don’t work terribly well together.

I would like to see footage of that.

I know the poor guy, Mark, who was there taping was like, “I think you probably want to crawl out of the skin.”

When people and couples are fighting in front of you, you have to be there and you can’t leave.

The room is this size. I’m doing the tape and he’s reading with me. He’s trying to get my notes. I’m like, “I didn’t ask for notes.” Mark’s looking at the ceiling.

Where do you look? You cannot make eye contact with anybody unless somebody thinks you’re siding or laughing.

It was super inappropriate for us. On The Mark, that’s the name. It is a great taping place in Atwater. That’s a catchy name. It’s a nice site. If you need to self-tape, go there.

You always have wonderful clothes.

I think I have a shopping problem, anxiety.

For me, in my postpartum anxiety, I was up all night constantly. Even when my babies were sleeping because they could stop breathing, they might be too hot or cold, a leg could get caught in a crib.

They can break an arm. We’ll keep our job. Once you’re at that level of adrenaline, you can’t go to sleep. Your brain does not turn off.

I’m constantly scrolling on Instagram. There was a lot of shopping that should never have happened, that is not in the budget, not okay in any way.

It’s that thumb and the phone shouldn’t have it connected to your credit card. It’s like you have to look near the phone and then eight boxes show up.

That was when I had this self-realization that for years, I’ve been judge-y about people who have a gambling addiction. I was like, “Those poor people. How did you get yourself to that place where you’re going to throw away $300 on online gambling?” then here I am.

I ordered two bikinis that I’ll never wear.

After my first child, I didn’t gain much weight but with my second, I was enormous in my pregnancy. I would order these outfits that were all midriff-bearing, two-piece sets. They would arrive and never leave my home.

It’s a form of self-torture.

You have a great style. Are you an official ambassador for Dôen?

I was a fan of their clothes. I met with them because they approached me to do a journal, which talks about postpartum. I wrote a little something and the women of Dôen, Margaret and Katherine Kleveland, they are sisters and then Phoebe Dean, who works closely with them, they’re special, cool women. Their ethics and morals are high up there. Every year for their holiday party, they have a fundraiser for Planned Parenthood. They’re conscious about their supply chain and supporting the women, the artisans making the clothes. I think their price point is fair.

It is for how it is ethically made and source to this.

I’m really on board, so I love to support them. Phoebe is young and in charge of a lot of their internet stuff. She sometimes teases me and tells me I can be an influencer for a day. She sent me the nightgowns and was like, “Do your best influencing.” I tried but I couldn’t get Bettie to sit still for the photos. I had to have Frozen on and give her chocolate and then I was like, “This is the best I could do.” She was like, “It is perfect.”

That is perfect though. I love it when the kids are like, “I’m not doing that.”

She’s like, “Put YouTube Frozen, two clips on repeat.”

I love Dôen. I love their aesthetic, their values and their photographer, Nicki Sebastian. Maybe you haven’t seen Motherhood Portraits.

I love that because she has two kids. She’s aware of what we’re all experiencing. She offered that as such a cool way because no one has the time or the wherewithal or whatever and you go and you get a beautiful photo. It’s special.

All the photographs that I’ve seen from those sessions that she does are all beautiful. They are the ones that you’re framing and keeping it forever.

It captures everybody in a moment. I try and make albums, although I’m pretty behind. I haven’t made a wedding album even though it was years ago. I made baby ones and I’m sentimental in that way. I appreciate her.

I appreciate her photographs. I love the ones that are beautifully taken but not have perfect moments. Everything’s crazy. I think between your Good Human Homework, Dôen, which I’m on board with all of what they say too, and their clothes are beautiful. The price point is totally fair. I want to see what you and Nico put out there.

I will let you know. It will be on Instagram.

Instagram TV, I’ve been watching it more.

I thought maybe we would fire it on there. We are trying to get to other places, but we made them for fun and they’re small. I think they could fit well there.

I’ll get sucked in on the feed if I like someone.

You can say, “Continue watching.” I’m going to find a Millennium to teach me how to do it.

You need one of those people.

If you’re in your twenties, let me know how to do IGTV.

I would watch that. I would click on Continue Watching.

Thank you. That will reinforce it. I had fun writing them and doing them with Nico. I would like to share them because they are some of the complications of being married to the patriarchy when you hate the patriarchy.

I love those posts about what you and your husband are fighting. These things are annoying, so that is great. On Instagram, you’re @FergyEvers and that is because your husband’s last name is Evers.

I didn’t think about it that much because Megan Ferguson is a successful gymnast somewhere in the world. She’s got all those handles. I got to a back walkover, that was as far as my gymnastics career went.

That was the end of the line for me too. Once I did it, I was like, “My work here is done.”

I felt accomplished. I was like, “I don’t need to do a backhand spring.” That’s not available to me.

That reaches the zenith of my gym career goodbye.

I did love the outfits, but I knew the vault and I weren’t going to have a future.

Even the bars also.

Bars didn’t call to me and I hated that pit where you got drugged down. They still have the pit. I go to gymnastics with my kids and I’m like, “Why? We have to get rid of the foam pit. It’s gross.”

It’s disgusting. I agree they are still there. Everybody should follow you and watch out for you because I think that you have big special things in your future.

I don’t feel that way, but I’m grateful for you for having me on this chat.

We have to talk about your hair. She has pretty, wild, curly ringlets.

It is funny because my little baby has curly hair and always looks like she’s put her finger in a socket and bite it too. She tells me, “Mama, your hair is crazy.” I was like, “Your hair is exactly the same.”

Thank you. I love you even more now. People should take your shower game.

Adult film or birth video.

Is it porn or is it birth?

You can make a different game if not all the guests like it.

No, I don’t think you can give them all the games. Thank you and be a good human, do our homework.

Make the world what you want it to be in some small capacity or a large capacity either. Thank you.

Bye.

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